Absurd that a management game is a slave to the 451. In Italy, out of 16 teams, 11 teams use the 451, truly shameful. The Boss says nothing about this. Is Kob a management game or not? It is truly absurd not to accept and be aware that the game engine prefers the 451.

Again man? You will post that all seasons?

I win 2 leagues in Spain with 3-4-3 and 3-5-2, Venlo won CL and play two CL finals with 3-5-2, Dynamo plays 3-5-2 too, most Romania top teams plays 3-4-3 or 3-5-2 or 4-3-3 …

Really boring, you dont think maybe you have the problem and not the engine? Try to get better and stop cry.

I use 3-5-2 since ages. Only first and second season i did use 4-4-2 and maybe one or two matches 4-5-1 in those seasons. Its more depends what strategie you want and what players you have. I did won two times the A1 league, one cup and 2 times CC.

I tried 451, but the results were pretty bad. Not like you said.
Need more player selection and adjustment from each coach to be successful.

It is just popular in our league because it works since season 1. You do not change tactics which works, right? 

I use it too but there are already much stronger teams than mine and it doesn't work as i expected

@markitoss you make me laugh in the end what did you win?!?! 2 championships in Spain, come to Italy and see how many you win with your 352.

@stoneisland, what is the problem? If you think 451 is the best tactic then you should use it instead of posting messages here. Every formation has his strengths and weaknesses

@Stoneisland you are so mad about the facts I told you that you only answer about the 2 leagues I won, nothing about the other teams that won a lot of things with other formations like I said.

And for your info, Spain is 3rd league in top, not that low, you are welcome to come here and try win something, maybe you can win here your first trophie boss.

A football management game cannot rely on a defensive tactic like 451 to score more goals and have a better chance of winning. It is absurd that a 451 scores more goals or has a better chance of winning than a more offensive tactic. In the real world, how many teams play with 451? However, I am pleased to see certain people who do not admit the facts, a couple of months ago everyone was complaining, now everyone is defending an obvious situation. You are ridiculous

you see my post as an attack, instead I speak of Italian reality and also of many strong teams in all kob that have modified their tactics to switch to 451. It is useless to talk about who won more or less it is absurd to see that a tactic like 451 has more chances of victory and goals. 451 is a purely defensive tactic with 451 I expect a team to win with partials 1 to 0 or make many draws. Here there are teams that with 451 make 5 goals per game. Absurd.

then who wants to understand, understand, then if we want kob to remain a strange game where things happen without any explanation, if you are all happy that's fine. Know that precisely because of these absurd things many are abandoning the game. If we want to lie about this too I don't know what to say. Bye and happy 451 to everyone

@stoneisland in real life best formation is 451 (4231 to be correct). Football is always in evolution and that 451 is becoming a 352. The fact is that a better midfield makes more defensive filter and create a lot of opportunity to score. I don't think match engine I don't think the game engine is very realistic, but the fact of the matter is that 451 allows teams to have a better chance, in reality as well as in the game. I'm saying this despite the fact that I use a 442 :D

P,S, check real CL and you can see 6 teams on 8, in quarter finalist, played with 451 (even if Inter plays as that evolution i was talking about, 352)

Both stoneisland and choseanothernickname is correct.

451 in kob has similar function as 4231. My only problem is real 451 are defensive formation in nature while 4231 is considered one of the most balance formation or the best formation in football. You know it will not work as solid as it is if in modern football you force LM and RM to play the roles of the AML  and  AMR. or two cm as DMC. It would be epic failure. 451 against 4231. You'll see big difference in dynamics of  attack from flanks and the AMC role is between supporting mid and also as alternative striker. Which to be honest it often turned out to be 2 striker. That's also a huge difference cause 451 weakness is definitely at the attack power with a solo striker it will be hard to feed him, he could easily be cut out from the rest of the team with 4 defences lineup. Now surprisingly in kob this solo strike would out done the work of 3 striker put together. 451 power is in the available of options in the mid but in it original form it get too crowded btw mid and defense and hard for them to push up the pitch where in 4231 those wingers are usual on the run high up the pitch for long ball and so on. To say 451 is a defensive formation is correct while 4231 is an offensive formation and same time very balance because of the player roles it makes big difference between two formations

If you're observing check out the mid cm among the 3 cm in 451.the center cm has better goal ratio than the other two, he's scoring in almost each match regardless which of them I play in the center. Meaning he's role is similar to AMC in 4231. I only hope in time to come more formation will be added and with formation like 4231 the like of more player positions will be added. AML, AMR, AMC, DMC, DML, DMR. In original 541 or 532 DL and DR don't suit in the roles of wild defenders. In some  game the position is known WDL and WDR  while in some cases it's DML and DMR. I made suggestions for that once and that didn't got much attention. It might be bunch of work but more formation and more player positions will be exciting and a new era for player market and youth signing :) 

Hi everyone, I agree that it is not good for the game to be a slave to the 451, each formation must have its strong points and its weak points (in which the players will help to enhance them and make up for them), as I agree that also for this reason the time has come to add new formations and new roles, I think that the whole game would benefit from it as well as the market that seems dead...

@Landlord excellent explanation of what I meant. And good suggestions for next updates ;)

@Landlord with individual duties you can already assign different roles to your players to have them more engaged in offensive play rather than defensive play, or the opposite. I'm basically playing with wingers in this season, they tackle less than my SCs and make more key passes compared to my MCs.

It's also possible with side defenders, if you have suitable candidatesi (obviously, it doesn't make much sense to assign offensive duties to a player who has bad attacking skills and good defending skills). Given the randomness in the skills of spawned youths, I don't think it's a good idea to add specific roles (as AMC or DMC) and risk having a DMC with low tackle and high tech and pass. I'd rather have all of them labeled as MC and decide myself who has to play as attacking or defending midfielders. Furthermore, this way you can also arrange asymmetric formations, which is pretty cool

As expected.. I hope stoneisland take his aggression to you dm personally lol

Why would you be against more position and more formation that it will fit on? 

You afraid some changes might shift the goal post from where it is that you are able to perfection. Worry with new player update and the dynamics it may come with may cause a shift from what you know and the need to buy new players to suit advance formation, that might better 451 which you are a specialist at. Oh and you might fall out on the conquest of Italy for sometime lol.

If I rememberd correctly I was the one who made suggestions of player duties but unfortunately the few time I tried it didn't work for me. Rather it disrupted my team and I concede way more shifting player duties. I mean you wouldn't understand as you have perfect your player on your formation so maybe using those duty shift has little little negative effect on already what is masterpiece of squad build on already favoured formation.

Again maybe in your idea DC spwan youth has same skill on tackle as mc? If not why then do you think DMC that's position deeper than mc would have same like skill on defence as mc? Same goes for AML and AMR.. they shouldn't be on same level on teq, speed and off the ball skills at spawn as ML and MR. Of course it a suggestion that will be enhance when applying in an update which will come with it own advantages and disadvantages but well balanced. By the way you can chose to keep cm only and sell dmc. Play kob forever with 451. Hopefully 4231 don't mess with it too much :) 

LOL! Innumeracy is a plague... what's so hard to understand in my example?

Are you aware than currently a DC can spawn with 45 tackle and a MC can spawn with 49 tackle?
Unless you want the minimum tackle for a DMC to be higher than the minimum tackle for a DC, there will be a good chance to spawn a MC with higher tackle than a DMC. And the same can happen with tech and pass reversing the roles.

People are already whining because they get random roles, so do you want to add additional constraints and also have people cry because their DMCs have lower tackle than their MCs? Or because their formation uses DMCs and they spawned an MC? Isn't it easier to select the duty based on the skills? Most midfielders can play as DMC, MC and AMC anyway in real life..

And please don't write I'm afraid of new changes... that's hilarious XD
I'm happy if more options are added, I will test them and use them, as usual.. but in that case, I see more potential issues than added value

If you're happy, I'm happy then let move on.. Hopefully the suggestion is taken into consideration. Someday kob will have to look forward to providing additional features in many areas, more player positions will be a good one. it's not trying to incorporate fantasy into the system, it's the entire opposite way of making kob even more realistical.

And thank you for mentioning on average dc has better tackle than mc maybe on average dmc will find it own place :)