I would like to ask the great Boss Nicmo. Why does the game engine favor a defensive module like the 451 more than a more offensive module like the 433/343??? This continues to happen with the modification of the various settings, defensive/offensive. We talk a lot about building a REALISTIC game, but in reality I have never seen a defensive module like the 451 that in the long run creates more goals than a more offensive module. I am noticing that many are switching to the 451 module taking advantage of this preference of the game engine. In the end will we all play with the 451??? should we change the name of KOB to KOB-451??? or maybe it's time to make some changes in the game engine to give all the tactics the neutral preference ??? I thank Nicmo in advance for the detailed answer he will give us.

1 game give 1 points for taktik

5 game 5 point and never lose 5*

15 games ,3 taktik with 5*

Better not  lose * for taktik

im playing in 451 and losing many of my match...VS low teams too

I've already posted something smiler to this on discord some seaon back

When 451 with team aq 52 beat offensive 433 67 aq team in cl Africa lol..

My problem with wasn't because he won, but he took field positions and created

More chances.. Why should defensive formation create more chances than offensive

Of any formation. They could have 2 chance and score 1:0. While offensive team has

Position and created many chance but failed to score as team A defended very well. 

But here in kob  you creat 2 chances on offensive 433 and defensive 451 created 8 chances:)

By the way 433 was supposed to be a hard counter to 451 in real football formation order... 

@JUmpingJAckFLash14 i think nic made some adjustments lol.. 

451 hasn't been half as good as it was 2 season ago haha. I won

most of the match against 451 but 2 season ago the best i Could did

Against 451 would be lucky enough to draw.. I lost most. They just typically

Came in defense on already defensive formation, solo striker which is the

Formation weakness, yet play defensive, yet created more chance.. and they win

 3 goals and more often :) 

Ralf is in position 1 of the Romanian A1 league with 433

Anyway, comparing the same tactics vs different teams may be a mistake, in KOB, your team is only good as the opponent lets it to be. The match engine works by creating individual duels between your players and your opponents players.

Please read the documentation on what things do.

I know the documentation by heart. Nicmo, your answer doesn't convince me at all and makes me understand that you don't understand much about certain things. The game engine prefers the 451 if you look at the statistics of the last 4 seasons in Italy you will understand many things. In fact everyone is switching to the 451, to take advantage of this preference of the game engine. I would like to understand from you who created this game engine, how come a 451 defensive module manages to score more goals every season than an offensive module like the 343/433?? you have always boasted of building a realistic game, this thing doesn't seem very realistic to me. My humble thought

what I ask is that the game engine should not prefer any tactic, only the players can change the result of a match. It is absurd that a 451 scores 5 goals per match always winning against stronger teams. Statistically it is normal that a strong team can lose against a weaker team and that is the beauty of KoB, but if you look carefully at the last 4 Italian seasons you realize that 451 wins over everything and everyone despite having a weaker team. This goes against every real statistic. Thanks

I think that there are many things and tactics are important to let your team win.  And that can difference for every player or team. There is no good or fault i think. Just do what give the best result for you. Possible that you must take a risk to train something or set a specified  tactic. KOB is a difficult and complex game.

My decision to make this post comes after many and varied changes to all the settings available on kob and after seeing the statistics and results of the last 4 seasons in Italy. I am not the last to arrive in the game and I do not make posts just for the pleasure of doing so. I ask Nicmo to give us the certainty that the game engine does not have preferences on some tactics. Apparently, given the answer he gave me before and seen the latest and continuous updates and thanks, I think he does not know either.

there is nothing in the match engine to favor a formation directly, that would be stupid...

There could be a combination of tactical options that will be perfect to maximize your chances, i dont know what they are, maybe 451 is better than 442, or any other combination, i dont know its up to you to find out and take advantage of.

don't disappoint me stone, i bet a lot on you 

Thank you Hello Kitty (Minecodersam) for your consideration for me. Too bad mine is not the same for you.

Regarding your answer Nicmo, it leaves me with many doubts and does not justify the statistics of recent times. Where people with the strongest team than mine had to change tactics and switch to the 451 to continue winning. Too many coincidences for a simple answer like yours, my post is dictated by the results of the last 4/5 seasons. In fact if you go and look, in the Italian championship everyone is thinking of switching to the 451. Why??? above all how is it possible that a very DEFENSIVE 451 module has more chances of scoring goals than a more OFFENSIVE module??

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Is this the post after lose against Palermo?
Man, this guy beats all. In Italy everyone thinks to change to this because of due to the fact that the guys Palermo and Atletico are doing great in this formation for many many seasons.
 

4-5-1 is also very common tactic in real. Mids are also wingers, nothing special. Very similar to 4-3-3.

FC Barcelona uses 4-5-1, where wingers rim between MID and ATT. Here you just have specific 4-5-1 without distinction to CDM, CM, CAM, but thanks to the last tactical options you can do very similar thing.

 

My dearest friend, You and your brother Partenopei and Palermo have switched to 451, precisely for the problem that I raised in this post, before you used another tactic. Could you explain to me the reason for this change??? Now mine is not a question of defeats, but it is a fact, looking at the statistics of the last 4/5 seasons. Now since Kob is a real money management game, we must have the certainty from Nicmo, who created this game, that no tactic has a preference over the game engine. I have always said that the victory of a weaker team against a stronger one, can happen, making the game beautiful and realistic. But here it always happens, against all statistics. The example you give with Barcelona makes no sense at all to do with KoB, with the logarithms that Nicmo goes to modify every time he makes an update. Now I know that each of us is drawing water to our own mill, I expect from everyone a certain intellectual honesty and not to deny the evidence. Thank you

The first answer Nicmo gave me, using the example of Ralfi's who was first in the rankings in Romania, is not a worthy answer for me, instead he should give detailed explanations, convincing all the people who invest REAL money in this game. N.B. the example on Ralfi's also brought him bad luck, now he is in fourth place in the rankings.

Thuru is 1st in Romanian A1 with 3-5-2

Since you are the Boss and only you can do certain things, why don't you do some tests with teams with similar players and different tactics. Then tell us what results come out. Doing certain tests to remove and hide any doubts or perplexities is your duty, Nicmo. You in the first person must make Kob credible, giving detailed explanations on every doubt that a user may have. Thanks

4 4 2 works best for me

4 5 1 is a bit better if I need to defend but if I need to risk in a tough game...I m more likely to bet on 4 4 2

Less chances but higher goal conversion rate, while 4 mids still do the trick defensively 

Just my 2 cents.

@Stoneisland "My dearest friend..." I think you have mistaken me for someone else. I use  this tactic since season 2, when you were just dreaming of playing against my team.

I am high in the table because I have a balanced team, but i dont win matches by a huge margin, and many end in a draw.
I dont risk much with this tactic, but you can see it in the number of goals i score.
I can rather call this formation as "safe", but definitely not "the best", because it depends on the strength of the team, or rather individual players.

If it would be the best I would kick your ass every season, but unfortunately i always lose.

@lysybandyta  My dearest friend, for what you spent on the game, you have been very lucky for everything you have managed to collect and achieve. Your luck was to start playing two seasons before me, when there were very few competitive teams. My dream came true by reaching Serie A, making 3 promotions in a row, starting from Serie D ... since I arrived in Serie A, your CL ATM dreams have died, since you always arrive behind me. However, I see that you are very susceptible. My post was made to try to make the game as realistic as possible and above all CREDIBLE, asking Nicmo to carry out all the necessary checks (based on statistics). I would also like to remind you that I laugh about defeats (Palermo), I'm not like you, who starts crying because you risk losing the 10 euros. I love you.

Will all due respect...this topic seems to be something to not get asleep.

Stoneisland..nothing against you. But you always ask nicmo something. You didnt understand till now the fact that you need to find yourself why what is best to you.

Example. I played 442 till the end of season 7.

I played 451 in season, now i play 433 in season? Why is that? Because i consider after my personal reasons...that in this moment and with what players i have, this is the best formation to be.

The rest are only cit chat...

Plus...after i checked your team. Man, you have 12 good players and thats it. You dont good back up player...etc. but we talk about tactics and formations?

If you would have 3 players banned or injuried you will be in your head.

Like i said before...too much talking too liltle actions from managers to make strong teams

What you say I have always done, changing many tactics and settings. I remind you that in Romania there have been teams that have withdrawn from the game by selling all the best players and many others that threaten to do so. Because they complain about strange results and because they don't understand anything. There are many useless posts where absurd things are asked. I opened a post referring to the results and statistics of the last 5 seasons, asking Nicmo to carry out some checks, for the good of everyone and for the credibility of the game. Lately I have seen many update posts, many users immediately responding "++++", "great update", after 3/4 games everyone is complaining. I didn't open this post because I'm looking for an easy win, I want to be reassured by Nicmo that there are no problems or preferences in the game engine in the game, that perhaps he isn't even aware of. Anyway I understand that on KoB, there is no interest in creating a realistic and credible game, you just want to speculate. Good evening to all.

To create a great team you need a great manager who can manage many factors of a company in the best possible way. That's what you don't do in Romania. You filled yourselves with 5-star players and now you're all complaining that the salaries are too high. Slaves to a forced participation in the "CL" to make ends meet.

I kindly ask Nicmo to close this post of mine. I do not see the curiosity and the right participation of everyone in wanting a credible game from all points of view, without leaving anything to chance. The subject of the post is changed, talking about things that have nothing to do with it. I leave you space for your requests and your very important posts of complaints regarding (high salaries, high taxes and low prizes) these posts will certainly be very useful for the growth of the game. Thanks

stay strong :)

we will play 🧠🤯

I'm building a military base in Italy 😆🪖🎖️

don't cry🫠

 "It's normal to win and lose in game"

You can use your team the 451 formation too and feel the sensation👀😂

Yeah...my mad that i'm not a good manager trying to win with 1 star players :))

Like i said....to many words...nothing said.

P.s. should remind you that my lack of manager skills , send it to you 326 euros on a DC few seasons ago? You sold a top 5 defender in the game for couple euros.

Dont understand people that are blaming the Romanian managers. Few seasons ago all the KOB managers was selling all the best players and give pm in game with offers, when managers like me, Loretty, Iordache, Adrian, Shaow where on shopping. 

And to be on topic again. Have you consider the fact that you dont have good enough players that can hold on the opponent players?;)

LMAO @Hadras8

I feel like i totally understand the topic and why the question has to be raised.. 

If kob has league history I'll ss 2 season back when 52 aq beat 67 aq defending in

Already defensive formation like 451. Why i fault such result wasn't the difference of aq at all nor

The fact that underdog team pulled a stunner result But rather the chances created btw the two. 67aq

Using 433 a hard counter against 451 could only created 3 chances while 52 aq playing 451 defense created

Over 6 chances, took better possession and then scored 2:0..

I was bit worried that i became bad manager in kob when i lost 3:0 to the team first leg and managed to draw second leg with my 58 aq team.. But after seeing how he demolished the tough buddy in the group i had to  chillax 🌶  and said to myself i was lucky I wasn't the one with huge investment to see 52 aq taking advantage of 451 bug 🐛 to run away with 1st spot in group stage cl Africa. 2 season back i saw lot of local club switched to 451 and defend in it. All of them i didn't managed to win any match with even when i had better squad and even at times i had perfect counter like close down when they used shoot on sight.. I just lost all of em or at most draw it. I made a shout out on discord and had some formation discussions on which was brushed off.. I was told my team has some leak that my mid do not possess better tacklers that was why i lose possession to 52 aq teams haha. I don't know of manager here that would prefer the like of kante and casmiro as their  cm because they are better at interception over modric and xavi which dictate the flows of the middle areas and up high the pitch with their deep technical knowledge and ball controls. 

But again just the way nic had it said, kob is kob, learn the flows and figure what work, it sure better thing to do than throwing tantrums over 451 lol. Plus i tried to use 451 too and lost to non manager team early the season so i ran back to my 352^^

451 did over performed sometime ago and probably still doing so, but after couple of updates i saw the team that used to fly high on defending in 451 formation losing easy matches now.. Hopefully we will all be patience enough as match engine and the rest are still work in progress. What keep me playing is  that every season i see improvements:)

Not all update has been entirely favourable but as long it improved the overall game play and helpful to most players so it's fine. Better kob is more important than winning everytime while everyone els leaving:) 

@Stoneisland Well, you spent 4 times more than me and I am still competitive against You. What's better - you are not visible in CL either, so i really dont understand what you want to tell me. Your way of thinking is like PSG laugh at Como that they are weak. So there's no point to say eachother who is weak or not, because it is not the topic.

I have already explaines to you how my tactics work and how i expect every season, instead of this you are offensive and the biggest crybaby is you, who comes back here everytime you lose.

Instead of this try to figure out how the game works, every formation is unique. Even mine - it depends mostly of players because when i change my current squad to rotate a little i lose against very weak teams.

Good luck!

This is the first time I open a post to ask Nicmo for checks, I waited 5 seasons to do it, to have as much data and statistics as possible. You all write with answers that shift the topic and are not relevant to my initial request for this post. The only one who should speak should be Nicmo, with data in hand, after having done all the necessary checks. To you humble hero managers of Kob I ask you some questions. In Italy why are the majority of clubs switching to the 451 module? Is it normal or realistic that a defensive 451 module scores more goals than an offensive module? Will we all find ourselves playing with the 451 and would this all be normal?..... Do we want a realistic and credible game from all points of view leaving nothing to chance, or do we want to turn a blind eye and move forward making posts with requests that only concern our personal interests?. N.B. the other posts I have opened in the past, have all been my humble advice for the growth of the game, never complaints. This post is not a complaint, but an exhortation towards Nicmo, asking to do all the tests and checks of the case. I am very sure, that all of you humble and great managers have understood my intentions. Now, on with the next senseless bullshit reply.

Until a certain point it's our duty to find what it's better for the team. Nicmo helped us a lot lately, but we need to find out what is better for our team. So no need to have more help than we already have 

Go and watch all the CL/CC games, 90% of the teams played with 451. It is absurd not to admit that 451 has a preference on the part of the game engine. We will all find ourselves playing only with 451 and KoB will change its name to "451 MANAGER". I hope Nicmo does all the necessary checks to give credibility to Kob. Thanks

8 teams played with that formation and: 4 won, 3 lost and 1 draw, so where is the preference?

More and more teams are switching to the 451. Have you ever wondered why???

here, it's usual to play with 3 defender, maybe in europe it's usual to play with 1 attacker. anyway i don't find any trick in 451, it depends from tactics and opponent.

I never talked about cheats. But about a system error that prefers a greater success to the 451 module. For this reason I asked Nicmo to do some tests and checks. Above all to make the game as credible as possible. I never received a detailed answer from Nicmo.

Above we have explained the duel between your player and your opponent=?

I can destroy 3mc according to your formation 343 vs 451? and your players in division A.1

So the conclusion is on your players for now 😁

KOB-451, still wins over everyone. Look at the CL/CC matches out of 8 teams in the semifinals 6 use the 451 module. We still continue to pretend that everything is normal. Nicmo's voice is not heard. Next year we will all use the 451, truly a great management game. CONGRATULATIONS.

@stoneisland its not true. 451 im loosing everytime with 352 or 442 def slow preference 

the terror of 451 still haunts you😂😅

 the answer is here=🧠

me 4-3-3 .. and play balance in all things.. 

vs Lurch A1 canada.. win

avg 62.. vs 56.8

LOL.. just play with brain..

I see so many BIG BRAINS super hero managers, with so many nonsense speeches Lol. We will all end up playing with 451 Lol. Next season kob's name will be changed to Kob-451, Lol.

In my opinion, when you use 433, 343 or 442, you should use the ideal striker (capable of all types of approaches). or both options, you have to use 3 strikers with the same typical approach. because if it wasn't so, the attack would not be very effective. This is something that is difficult for most managers to implement, because they have limited ideal strikers. That's why most managers choose to use 451, because they only need 1 ideal and specific striker, with 5 supporting mids and a shadow striker in the middle. practical.

Back again to this topic after whole season with some bservations

To be honest now strikers are more visible in match, they dont touch only a ball, but they try to engage even in defence sometimes.

It could bring other formations more usefull, especially with two or more strikers.

What do you think?