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Update to Tournaments 28/10/2024

nicmo642 postówWiek konta: 4 lat

Just a quick update that didn't make it to yesterdays patch in time.

  • Tournament injuries are now automatically healed when the tournament ends.
  • Tournament earnings are now taxed by the local federation by 15%

Sempollan*4 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

I just agree, sir, as long as every tournament has a minimum bonus of 50 gold..

speedtuning122 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Ok thanks nicmo about injuries players

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

The percentage is high, meaning that most teams will lose in the tournament. If it was 5%, it would be acceptable

Xax*7 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Great that you posted it

> Tournament injuries are now automatically healed when the tournament ends

because it doesn't

Well, it did now, but for math before, my player is still injured.

Loretty*59 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

When Nicmo will fix it will be a great update. Ty Nicmo.

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Mr. Nicmo, look at the tournament. Most of the teams did not even get their money back. Please review the percentage

CR735 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Wissaoways   +1

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Another reason to not doing tournament, thanks sir

biricash10 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@nicmo  15% is too much. I might suggest turning this tax into a capital gains tax. (If you pay 5 gold to sign up and win 6 gold overall, 15% would be deducted from 1 gold)

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@Biricash  A good idea would be to tax only profits

nicmo642 postówWiek konta: 4 lat

You realize that these 15% go to your local federation, that later will be used to pay your league and cup prizes, right? The more you win the richest your league becomes.

Strange paradox this is, people want better prizes but don't want to contribute to the funds that pay them.

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

it's the worst idea ever taxing the tournament income, because you don't have the security to have the fee back at 100%, so why i have to tax it too? no sense

nicmo642 postówWiek konta: 4 lat

so why tax champions league and continental cup earnings too? ban taxes!

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

we don't pay to enter in CL and CC

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

otherwise, fund every tournament with 50 gold, in this case the tax has to be present.

imagine spending 5 gold, you don't know if you recover the fee, and plus you have to pay 15% tax

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Mr. Nicmo, in continental cups you don’t pay anything to participate and everyone comes out a winner, while here people pay to participate.

nicmo642 postówWiek konta: 4 lat

what makes you sure you make your money back in tournaments, without taxes?

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

exactly nicmo, this is what i said minutes ago. "what makes you sure you make your money back in tournaments, without taxes?", add taxes on this phrase and it will be worst.

anyway, i am not usual to do tournament so personally i don't mind. but this is a big mistake the taxes in tournament

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Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

The best decision is to tax on profits only, for example, if you paid 5 gold to participate and won 6, the tax would be on 1 gold and not the full 6.

b1c10150 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Good (not to say "nice" XD) update!

Now we have tax in the tournament, let's improve the tournament too, because it is being very unfair in calculating the average entry, I created a topic for improvement.

@nicmo You can resize it to 10%?

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maridiba394 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Relax guys, it's just a game... There were injuries and sometimes bars to pay before, now we got rid of that and we have a tax, it will probably cost less. Plus, it goes straight to the local federation, then it feeds the prizes...

Those who have an unlucky day and win just a few games also pay few taxes... extra funding will often cover it

Also, tournaments are not mandatory, you can look for those with extra fundings covering the expenses

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Chazuke_e94 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Perfect thing! Taxing Tournaments so the winner don’t get everything and their federation gains!

love it

Xax*7 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

So nicmo, you pretend like problem didn't exists? You didn't make it on yesterday - fine, you didn't have to. But you make it to put that info about NO INJURY, and then ppl got injured players. So you gonna fix it somehow? Don't do i to for me, but fix it for others. The can't train their players. They can't participate in new tournaments or they have to put weaker team so it's not worth to do it.

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@Chazuke_e

not only the winner has to pay taxes, but everyone in the tournament

Nick538 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

why do you charge extra funds added by players?

Nick538 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

-5

with this measure! I officially announce that I only encourage tournaments by increasing the prize fund from my money + I only play tournaments! Congratulations for this update, it was the only way active players had activity on the game and it didn't get boring...

Chazuke_e94 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@Minecodersam it’s a healthy update for other Federations. Items got removed, from where else should the funds come from then?

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

This update makes most players back out of participating in these tournaments

Nick538 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@Chazuke_e

we will see how healthy this measure was when no one will play tournaments anymore!!!, although it was the only way to get bored in this game, it has become taxing!

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Chazuke_e

without fund, you struggle to recover the fee. imagine now with the taxes..

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

do not understand these players who encourage wrong things, or is it that their understanding is simple and they do not understand anything?

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

In order to recover the registration fee, you must win the equivalent of 9 matches out of 15, which is difficult for most of the participating teams

Chazuke_e94 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Minecodersam

imagine there was no tax at all in the game…

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@chazuke_e Enter and participate in the tournaments and lose your money with us then

Chazuke_e94 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@Wissaoways

and how many wins was needed to get the equivalent before the update? 2 wins less?

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@Chazuke_e

tournament shouldn't have taxes.

with this system, and no funded tournament, you are in positive only if you arrive at least third, so you have a high probability to go in negative

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Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Yes, go in and try it yourself and you will see that you will not be able to get your money back

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

i correct myself, you go in positive if you arrive at least second in the tournament, from 3rd to 5th you equal the partecipation fee

Chazuke_e94 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@Minecodesam

now it’s not about winning specific amount of matches? Now you’re moving to „only going positive out of being first“

how many matches do you need to win to go out positive and how many before the update…

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Chazuke_e

it's simple, the match you need to win before minus 15% now

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

so for example, if u needed to win 9 matches before, now 10 matches and half

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

approximately you need to finish at least 3rd to take something, otherwise you go in negative

Chazuke_e94 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

10 matches out of 12?

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

10 matches out of 15, and consider a tie as 1/2 match won

after 10 matches won you are in positive, less you are in negative

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Chazuke_e94 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Great then. Not much has changed than before.

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Chazuke_e

the difference is not too high, but imagine having tax while you struggle to stay at least in positive

in facts now major part of players don't want to do anymore tournaments (unless it's funded)

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Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

and personally i prefer one thousand times now doing a friendly rather than tournament for the training multiplier

maridiba394 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Even without extra funding, with 9 wins out of 15 you recover the entry fee.
For a 10 gold tournament, 9 wins would give 12 gold without taxes, 10.2 gold after taxes.

Similarly, for a 9 games tournament, with 5 wins and a tie you earn 10.39 gold after taxes

And there is often extra funding... it's not changing much

Plus, you don't have to pay to cancel injuries anymore

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Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

yes, you have to win 1 more match compared to before, not too much but still struggling

Lache112*3 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Turnament tax is stupid evan 2 u hardly make any money u now have to pay extra to lose more money.......

Juni37 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

The tax on tournaments is caused by the elimination of the goods market.

Personally, I don't agree with this update. Why?

1. Even without tax are very difficult to get the money back in tournament. Especially with 15% tax. You can try it yourself @Chazuke_e. For me, after this update, i will not join in the tournament unless, there is a bonus or I want try a new formation.

2. If there is a tax on tournaments then it shouldn't be that big. I believe 5% is a sufficient number as a substitute for eliminating injuries in tournaments.

3. As far as I remember, someone gave the idea regarding removing energy bars and pro bars in the goods market, not the goods market as a whole. I'm neutral on this idea.

4. The goods market is very necessary, especially to regulate team energy, especially for teams that compete not only in the league but also in the cup and champions. I'm sure the amount of gold from selling Batorade is greater than the 15% tax on the tournament.

So in my view, reduce the tournament tax to 5%. Return the goods market but without the energy bar and pro bar

viz42 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

It is not balanced.

Going over the numbers again, it seems very disproportionate to me. It is positive that the tax is encouraged for local federations, but in this way it is profitable for very few and unprofitable for those who benefit.

They could even be beneficial to provide players with a very reduced experience. It would be an incentive to study

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savas5227 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

I would participate in tournaments only if the experience of the plyers would increase. All my players are now under 40% experience.

biricash10 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

taxing profits would be the fairest solution

Irado88*4 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

15% is too much, 5% would be understandable. In a week, I don't think anyone will be participating in the tournaments. I clarified myself, I finished 2nd and have a + of 0.66 gold, the rest didn't even have the problem of winning. :)))

Chazuke_e94 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

@Juni why should I „try“ it myself when I used to join back then and almost never got anything back because of bigger players? They dominate it, so idrc about tournaments, haha

Minecodersam350 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

bad update

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nicmo642 postówWiek konta: 4 lat

sure, the 14 regular tournaments we had today are all bots, in your head.

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Most of the teams that usually participate in the tournaments were not able to participate in off-seasson masters. This is a great injustice. It would have been more appropriate to give them priority

Adrian09143 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

Well, not everyone have to end on positive at end of tournament :D , only the first places do, which is normal , otherwise, could be called charity funds :D

Wissaoways*65 postówWiek konta: 2 lat

The players who were harmed and caused the percentage deduction to cause them greater losses, and despite that, they continued to play the tournaments. Most of them did not find a place in off-season masters.

It would have been more appropriate for these people to play in the tournament because they are the ones who deserve it

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