So, a lot of people are pissed about how energy bars got changed, increasing the pay to win ratio. Like the new Pro Bar at 5 euros for 15% boost is too expensive and unfair for the ones that cant pay it.

I understand this, but we always had pay to win items and not a lot of people complained about them before.

So, we need to make some decisions about this, for me personally it doesn't affect me much since these funds have always gone to the global fund and i don't participate in international competitions, so its totally up to you. The changes i have done were only to improve the global fund.
If we want to focus more on strategy and less payments, we can, however prizes should go down a bit?

That said, here are our options:

1. Lower the price of the Pro Bar, only.
2. Remove the Pro Bar, only.
3. Remove the Pro Bar, lower the price of trail mix and keep it at 5%
4. Remove all items (since they are all pay to win) from global market (close global market) and refund all items bough in the past.
5. I am fine with the item changes.

1, 2 and 3 just keep the status quo about pay to win items.

Number 4 is more drastic and can make sense.
It will remove all items, will remove medic and legal departments.
No more football kit at the start of the season to improve morale of players.
No more batorade to increase players condition.
Managers will need to rotate players more and eventually have a bigger squad, so the gold spent on items will be used in more players and more salaries.

So if you can, please help me out in steering us the right way, cheers.

Please keep it 100% on topic, any suggestions outside items that you have please, make your own topic. I will delete any not helpful posts.

A votes gimme a point of change. I vote for 4. It ll make payouts bigger and managers ll need more players to play.

You can also swap buildings for make injury more short ( like %) . 

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1

Keep it but the fund go to local federetion, so can up the prize for league federation.

Option 5, very few will use it anyway in championship and most will use in Cl/CC, so, budget keep raising or stays at the curent value. 

3 , if it is affordable for everyone it is not "pay to win". We must have some funds for prizes, but aalso we must think for new people who joins the game.

Number 4 is more realistic. Is no pay to win.

Is exactly like IRL with players fatigue and injuries and bans.

Teams who focus on international cups should feel the presure in national league because of lot of mathes and players fitness. 

We have to roll players with subs, not have only 11 players and use them like crazy . At this moment subs doesnt matter.

Now, we just insert batorate like crazy to make 100% team energy in less than 4h-5h, and we dont care how many matches we have. 

What we play right now is Football Manager with editor: BAN -> click remove ban ; Injury -> click remove injury; fitness problem -> click team fitness to 100% and so on ...

If we want this game to be fun, with no big diff between teams, we have to keep this game as realistic we can.

4...I agree with batorade and footbal kit, but medical, legal departments and pro bar are not realistic at all

4 is ok

number 4 , will add more adrenaline to manager

I vote for questions to come before decisions

1 but if the price of the bar go down lower to the % of win there you can have a 3rd ítem for the future and have more option to give funds to the federation, global fund and others i think have a great day

1 for me. Not planning to use pro bars, but still thinks it's little too much

About option no.4: I hope that nicmo is writing about items which wasn't used. It would be so unfair to refund items alredy used. Players have already benefited from them. And now it would turn out that they had the adventage for free.
Generally, I agree that items on global market are not realistic, but still I think that game need it. People have to spend money for something. 

As long as it says in its description that it is a "RECOMMENDED" item for international competitions, it is already implied that only pros should buy it, now I wonder if that's where the name Pro Bar comes from?

For me it doesnt matter anymore. But i will vote for those that want a realistic football manager.

I vote 4.

And refund to be given only for the items bought in the past that are not used yet, i mean the stock

4 as long changes are implemented in season break.

I already sold my some of my players based on curent system. I think would be better these updates to come between seasons..... 

I will also vote option 4, with the mention that all the future changes to be implemented before the start of a new season, not after 2-3 games from the new season. Changes in the middle of the season are not fair at all, because a full season doesn't have the same rules from day 1 to day 30. For exemple, I would have won, probably, day 2 championship game where I did 2-2, if I had those Pro Bars...in the same time, I may have done a draw or even loose today against ralf, if I didn't had that Pro Bar.

Regarding the trail mix, it is very expensive, I just bought one and I didn't win the match against someone who didn't buy it,  although it was a draw, if we talk about profits I lost. I buy this product often so I would recommend lowering the price or being able to buy a pack of 30 units for the entire season with a 50 or 60% discount,

4 for me. I agree with Loretty's arguments. Teams will have to use their subs, not only 11 players.

So if I have to choose between the 5 options, I choose option 3.

Well, number 4 is very tempting... it would look like a good old football manager game, sounds great to me :)

There would be a couple of problems to fix, not only refunding the elements in stock but also finding another use for the Medical Center (maybe could reduce injury length and/or probability?) and the Legal Department (no idea for a realistic use... I would say reduce the probability of cards and or allowing appeal for ban with a given probability of success, but that sounds like bullshit). Otherwise, to avoid refunding the structure, it could be converted into a parking or restaurant or something like that to boost attendance or the revenues from the home games, or even to boost the energy recovery of players at night... there are many possibilities.

4. Remove the items.

If not 4., I choose remove probar 2. or 3..

Im up for 5.

Maybe those items 4 are for cross over with MPL in futur ?

The problem of those kit is that very expensive in lowest League (D and C) -> cost more than rewards

but for CL CC can be interesting

I vote to keep lowest bar only

I vote 4 to make it more realistic, you could keep Batorade by increasing the cost and being able to use it only once a day with a max recovery of 2%. For medical facilities, those who have the best ones will recover sooner while converting the legal ones into other things, parking, hotels, restaurants, etc.

I suggest keeping batorade as is and reducing the price of healing supplies and discipline complaints; keeping the cost low for these items allows them to be utilized regularly by F2P as needed.

Vote for 4.

1 is the best, optional trial mix can also a bit lower.

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Yes, I think number 4 will make more sense, it will require more players to be used in matches and not just the same ones that can be healed with items from the market,

but then the updates that were made to the Medical Center and the Legal Office will no longer make sense? :/

@speedtuning they could probably be converted into 2 different structures that give some fixed passive bonus, just like the training grounds and the youth centre; that could also generate expenses from buildings maintenance in the future

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I understand that it is a vote on changes in the game, but since I have a question about energy supplies, I am going to take advantage of this post, I need to know at what time of day the energy bars and other supplements are added. because in the time I've been playing I've never seen them

@Kronoss you have this items in the market all time

you see 0 items because you don't have any in Inventory in your account, you just need to put 1/2/3 units and buy

4

it's right to pay to have an extra boost, and not like before 0.6 gold to have a huge boost, so option 5

Vote for 5 ( 100%)

3 please, 'pro bar' is so terrible 

No 4 nice

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4 is good.. Game should not pay to win.. Just gacha with random win or lose depends on strategy.. Good Luck. 

I am fine with 3 & 4 since a 15% boost is too much so Nerf with the same price with a 5% boost is fine & there will be problems for the stadium needs to change if we go with option 4 & the global fund needs money & also the pay-to-win player so maybe can adjust the price or the pro bar can only be used on the knockout stage or the medic & legal department needs depending on how long the ban & days the player is injured like 1 medic for 1-day injury

4 for more realistic & challenge

Lower the price.  Trail mix original price and pro bar to current trail mix price

In my case I vote 4 but I suggest keeping Batorade and the medical department because if we want a realistic game EVERY team has a medical department.

Remove all items, includes documents and medical so people must have subs team not only 11+7

and you need to refund upgrade fee total 80 euro for medical and department

4

Isn't buying 5 star players, pay to win also?

I vote #4

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4 - sounds good and realistic.

I have played like real... waiting player to recover totally, wait unban player...

As speedtunning says in the post above: it doesn't make sense anymore in 2 item in stadium.

Just for complement:

About the stadium - Medical Center: add doctor (1-5 stars, add wekklysalary like coach) for passive healing (if the player is injured for 5 days, then the doctor(5 star) can heal, he will release the player in 1 day, not instant release player) and imporve recover condition using training center, have option to Resting, and force training fitness skill player too.

About the stadium - Legal Office: removing the player's red card is not realistic. Maybe redesign it for another proposal.

i think 3 or 4 would be best

It all started with position random youths witch I was the only one against.

So now i vote for 5! Let s all pay to win

in option 4 is remove even the medical and legal department, what about the players that made upgrades there? will they be refunded?

1. Lower the price of the Pro Bar, only.

I'd love for the probaruri to be just for me, but hey, we have to share with others too... So here's an idea: let's put them on sale only one day a month, between seasons – 5 in total per season – and everyone can decide how, when, and if they use them. That way, we keep our resources intact and don't ruin ourselves financially for nothing. What do you think, sounds good?

… Or, if that's not a good idea, how about 4 instead?

Vote for 1

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4 it must be -- more managing and not only paying yourself out of trouble

Vote for 4, real life, more realistic

Vote 4 .

Vote 1

1, decrease to 2€

everyone who votes 4 wants a refund, just delete them without refund to not kill the funds

Option 3 is more like how it was before probar was introduced. IMO good to have trail mix limited to 5%

All the votes from 1,2,3,5 should be counted aginst 4. All those options are actually aginst 4 and deleting structures + killing market. Let s let the game like this for a while, do whatever for bars and energy but too many changes can also hurt game experience

I would vote 4 as well, like Alin said, at the end of the season, when every game play change should be made from now on. I am sorry for that mistake.
Option 4 would get us a more realistic approach to football management, its important that decisions rely directly  from tactics, player choice, training choice and not by a simple buy/not buy a direct boost. It can still work in terms of expenses going to funds since you would need to manage more than 11 players.

Since there would be no player unban/heal items, injuries and cards would be toned down a bit, to a more realistic level.

In case of option 4, obviously only items currently socked would be refunded by the global fund. In order to not wreck the global fund too much, the medical and legal infrastructure would be replaced of have different effects, like maridiba said.

I have been tweaking funds towards local federations lately and can continue to do so but keep in mind each federation has about 250 teams, so if you have 1000 euros, thats 4 euros per team, obviously league 1 gets more but just to give you an idea.

Thanks for your input, please continue, even update your "vote" if you want, using the edit button.

Cheers

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3

where is Realistic

I vote Realistic

Me gustaría empiece a tomar un rumbo màs realista. Voy por el 4

Those who are tthinking that global fund will go down. Think about the gold from youth, will go to global and national  funds.

And this thing will satisfy those who are asking for more funds in national.

The players market will slowly go up and so on.

Hi, I vote for 4

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@nicmo do a round of voting, put the 5 options and each player can vote on 1 option, this way you will have an idea of ​​which of the options is ahead

number 4 is ahead by 3 times as much as 2nd option

@nicmo before you take a decision, would be better to post here from where funds come from once option 4 comes up, how much wages will become , i m quite sure once people see that there are bigger expenses into managing team + a bigger cost needed to aquire more players to be able to have always minimum 11 players to play they might change opiniom again. As for now, ppl vote for option 4 without knowing how it will be managed after and wont be a surprise if once it gets implemented , people to dislike it and to be a time wasted coding it.  Having the main idea how game will work with option 4 definetly will help , as probably, everyone has his own idea how it will be but you might code it in a different way.

How long is the voting window gonna last for?

We would appreciate an official update on the matter when time comes. 

Have great evening everyone 

Alin and Adrian, one day or so more. Apparently option 4 will win so i will make a post with all the possible changes and see if people like them or not and where we can tweak it, in time for next season change.

@Adrian it's impossible to know the future amount of the expenses (and the consequent prizes) even for the current situation, let alone the alternative conditions, because people have brains and also free will, so everyone will manage the club in different ways, as has always been. Everyone sets the club expenses as he wishes. If one thinks that the salaries are becoming too high, he can just sell a few players and/or stop training them, for example, and that is valid for all the proposed options.

The main difference between option 4 and the others is the realism because in that case, the manager has to plan everything ahead (turnover, tactics, market) as in real life, without "magic" one-time boosts to "surprise" the opponent. It takes the challenge to another level.

At the moment, in my opinion, the tactic part is the only aspect of the game in which the ability of the users can have an influence. The management part is too easy, you can pay a few cents to solve any issue (bans, energy, injuries) and the level of the players is still too low to see the influence of the salaries... even a braindead can manage that, he just has to know how to click a button XD. No need to make real decisions and account for energy consumption or risk of bans for the following games.

That said, expenses will never be a problem, because the main difference with real life is that we are not really paying for players, buildings etc.., that money is not lost, we are just funding the prizes.

Vote 4

4

Option 2

Trail mix just balance after nerfed 15% into 5%. Besides the price still affordable for free player

Option 4

Real football manager mode :). Just need to balance the RNG for gettin red/yellow card and cause of injury

Don't forget that people still need to spend alot on youth player since need to gacha the position and field side pos

Option 4 is a big no

it lead to less income global funds and fed funds

using drinks is very handy to get condition back to 100

using medical and card is very handy to direct heal or remove card

those things is not expensive, people can decide to use it or not

Option 4 is not necessary. This situation is much simpler to resolve. place 3 bars 5% 10% 20% balancing the prices between the 3 and the matter is over.

The game is too RNG for option no.4

I don't even use hard tackling, but many managers use it against me and usually i get more yellow or injuries instead of my opponents

If you remove items against injuries or cards i hope higher levels of medical center and legal office will reduce penalties significantly

thanks

Option 3 is best... That's all we needed in the first place.

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  I vote for 4 so people will be careful for using hard mood it will make the game more realistic but I see something unbelievable in my match how can 4 players got red cards never seen it in real 

Vote 4 - Because this will force managers to have a lot of reserve players,

4 - But no refund of items

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As l said earlier 4 .. BUT you have to adjust the condi. drop after ecah match  it drops to much today if you remove the extra input..... a thought .. if you change a player at half time ..both of them would have 100 % cond. after the match.

carl - 

Many option but most of people dont understand to signification of that :

more players to buy (with high quality of course) and more wage

i vote 4

I also want the system to be more realistic, similar to football in general, so that it can be seen which team can become a dark horse, with a good strategy

5 very good for me

 i choose 5 , this option makes more sense

5. I am fine with the item changes, but I wish price for trail mix could be back like before

4..  and remove medical and legal document also to maximize the player rotation

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5

1 and 3 are fine

others are  unwanted

Vote 4.

Mor funn ,mor players,  

I choose option 5, A little bit less to the global fund, a little bit less to the champions league prize, because I'm sure every player who invests a lot, wants to go there. While the champion league slot is limited in each region. Divert the funds to the federation fund, but revise the prize distribution between league levels.I see, the prize for 1st place in league B is the same as 3rd place in league A and bigger than 4th place in league A. I think that the 1st place winner of league B should be no more than the top 8 team prizes of league A.

5

Vote 4

Vote 1

Vote 4

3

Vote 4

4

5 

im fine

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4