Forum > Suggestions (International) > We need to improve the Youth League


Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Final 4.74 plat
Semi Final 1.78 plat
Quarter Final 0.59 plat
1/8 Final 0.15 plat
Group Promotion  0.06 plat

I won the Youth League and these are the prizes. Very meager, to be honest. I'd like to propose that, at least for next season, in addition to the cash prize, the winner could receive a free 5-star youth player of their choice with no expiration date, and the runner-up a 4-star youth player. This would make the competition more interesting, and managers who go far would have a real incentive beyond the cash prize, which currently isn't attractive to almost anyone. What do you think?

Fletcher90
88 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

I agree that reward for youth league is not tempting and league going to decline. On other hand giving 5 star young for winner worth 50 platinum is way too high, prize is comparable like for winning CC cup.

It will be better to increase training speed for youth players who play game in youth league, to calcuate as player which played game with coefficient 1.5, same as for normal league. In this case even you dont get your registration fee back, you will see progress in player skills, which make sense as they play competition, similar as in real life

markitoss
80 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Sure, 50€ (youth 5*) for a random competition without tactics and competition you play by paying 10 gold🤣

Thats cant be serious.

Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

If you read, you would know that 10 gold is not the entry price for the competition.

Without competition, it's surely because you haven't participated this month. Always belittling others, what a tiresome guy you are.

I agree that tactics should be implemented and the XP for those of us who play should be increased.

My suggestion isn't specifically that; it was an idea to think about improving this competition, which otherwise lacks incentive. Those who decide are others.

be smarter my friend 😎

markitoss
80 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Oh not 10, my bad, just 20, huge difference🤣

Is not belittling, is the truth, Youth League is a random competition and we all know since the first one, and the prizes always been like this becausr you cant expect high prizes when the bids for join that are low, thats obvious even to people like you.

Your suggestion is that you can win a youth 5* for win a random competition while the others need to pay 50€, thats crazy, so maybe you are the one who need be smarter.

Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

You're the one who bought a player for 25 and after two games sold him for 18. Get yourself checked out and shut up for a bit; you're in no position to be giving advice on intelligence.

I'll repeat this for people who don't understand beyond the literal meaning. It's an idea to incentivize participation in the competition (with these prizes, people won't even sign up, as is your case, because there's nothing to gain). If the champion were awarded a 5-star youth player, maybe you'd sign up. So, I repeat, it's a first idea, exaggerated, crazy, whatever you want to call it, but it aims to contribute. Your comment is the same old thing: trying to act superior to others, but it doesn't contribute anything; quite the opposite.

It's madness, I don't see it. I propose this, this, and this. That's what contributing is; what you're doing is being a pain in the ass. Be smarter, my friend.

 cool

markitoss
80 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Chantilax

You're the one who bought a player for 25 and after two games sold him for 18. Get yourself checked out and shut up for a bit; you're in no position to be giving advice on intelligence.

I'll repeat this for people who don't understand beyond the literal meaning. It's an idea to incentivize participation in the competition (with these prizes, people won't even sign up, as is your case, because there's nothing to gain). If the champion were awarded a 5-star youth player, maybe you'd sign up. So, I repeat, it's a first idea, exaggerated, crazy, whatever you want to call it, but it aims to contribute. Your comment is the same old thing: trying to act superior to others, but it doesn't contribute anything; quite the opposite.

It's madness, I don't see it. I propose this, this, and this. That's what contributing is; what you're doing is being a pain in the ass. Be smarter, my friend.

 cool

@Chantilax I cant believe you are saying to me nothing abot buy or sell players, when you did the same a lot of times, and when you just invest even more than me and havent won even a tenth of tittles 🤣🤣

And Ive contributed much more to the game than you, with things like translation or reselling or similar, so man, stop being that ridiculous.

Getting back to the topic, you can incentivate the competition with things like @Fletcher90 said, or with increasig the xp earned or something similar, but you cant cheat the game by giving players (5* or 4* or whatever)

Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

I've never bought a player for 25 and sold him after two games. But you know best, you're the smart one here.

You don't contribute anything, you're a lazy bum. But you think you're the smartest in the school room.

Let go of my leg, celebrate your 200 titles, and tell a friend if you have one.

Go away.

maridiba
327 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Youth League is based on a simplified version of the engine; it will never be as engaging as the first team competitions like CL, CC, and even the friendly Tournaments because you can't even test tactics.
Plus, you don't have to qualify to play it, but you just have to pay, and I find it perfectly fine to only use the collected budget for the prizes. Besides, the minimum bid to signup is just 20 gold... even if Iose all the games, who cares?

Plus, as I already said in the past, there is an evident conflict of interest because ​​​to have more chances of winning the Youth League, it is convenient to keep the players in the youth team as long as possible, but that implies buying fewer youths overall. I still promote them at 17 because I prefer to give them EXP as soon as possible and use the tutors for the younger ones, but with higher prizes...
In the current format, it doesn't ​​help the game economy (no taxes at all), but it rather damages it.

If we want to make it interesting, it first has to become good for the game economy. A possible solution could be to increase the EXP given per match, maybe even to 1 XP point per game, but only the 15 yrs old and 16 yrs old players have to be eligible to play. The others can stay in the youth team without being allowed to play, so you always have to buy new ones to compete, and that could eventually lead to more youth pulls

markitoss
80 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Chantilax

I've never bought a player for 25 and sold him after two games. But you know best, you're the smart one here.

You don't contribute anything, you're a lazy bum. But you think you're the smartest in the school room.

Let go of my leg, celebrate your 200 titles, and tell a friend if you have one.

Go away.

@Chantilax Catalin Matei, some days ago, and not two games, just only one 🤣🤣 and thats only the last example, man, you are really a joke 🤣🤣

I dont contribute?? Im a lazy?? Besides being a liar, you really shouldnt find out anything.

Who do you think translate the game into spanish? And thats a process that takes a bit of time, any of the other translators from other countries can confirm it, so no bad for a "lazy" guy.

What did you do for the game?? I remember that a few season ago you suggested paying to increase the player skills 🤣🤣  amazing idea, you re that bad that the only way that comes to your mind to make up for it is paying.

 

Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

You can't beat me unless you're incredibly lucky. You're the joke, a jealous egomaniac with no friends.

I repeat, let go of my leg and stop commenting on my posts unless you're contributing.

Cansino

markitoss
80 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Chantilax

You can't beat me unless you're incredibly lucky. You're the joke, a jealous egomaniac with no friends.

I repeat, let go of my leg and stop commenting on my posts unless you're contributing.

Cansino

@Chantilax ??? Last game vs you got 2 red cards🤣🤣🤣 and better dont talk about tittles difference.

You cant be serious, man, thats incredible, you cant stop lie 🤣🤣

If you are that smart, why got 3 or 4 youths some seasons ago with INF trait thinking that was DET? 🤣🤣🤣 you didnt even read the documentation, just used to asked me EVERYTHING or you didnt remember that?? 
My biggest mistake was waste time helping you, but hey, I dindt contribute anything 🤣🤣

And obviously you are the jealous one, but hope you improve a lit to make it

more interesting.

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Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

markitoss

Chantilax

You can't beat me unless you're incredibly lucky. You're the joke, a jealous egomaniac with no friends.

I repeat, let go of my leg and stop commenting on my posts unless you're contributing.

Cansino

@Chantilax ??? Last game vs you got 2 red cards🤣🤣🤣 and better dont talk about tittles difference.

You cant be serious, man, thats incredible, you cant stop lie 🤣🤣

If you are that smart, why got 3 or 4 youths some seasons ago with INF trait thinking that was DET? 🤣🤣🤣 you didnt even read the documentation, just used to asked me EVERYTHING or you didnt remember that?? 
My biggest mistake was waste time helping you, but hey, I dindt contribute anything 🤣🤣

And obviously you are the jealous one, but hope you improve a lit to make it

more interesting.

@markitoss 

Jealousy, why? You’re just pathetic, at least you make us laugh with that ego that makes you think someone could envy your chocolate titles in a game for god’s sake… go outside, find a job, and buy yourself a friend.

If no one can stand you in the Spanish league, that’s not my fault.

You came here to criticize one of my posts, instead of giving your opinion and building something, you come to brag and you’re just a poor man, a “nini.”

The players you buy can be sold later, I don’t know if you know that. Obviously trying to get a return, not like you, throwing money at players who play one week on your team. That’s your business, but you should keep your mouth shut, friend.

You’ve been here longer, the road is long, we’ll see in the future.

Come on, let go of my leg already, some of us work.

markitoss
80 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Chantilax

markitoss

Chantilax

You can't beat me unless you're incredibly lucky. You're the joke, a jealous egomaniac with no friends.

I repeat, let go of my leg and stop commenting on my posts unless you're contributing.

Cansino

@Chantilax ??? Last game vs you got 2 red cards🤣🤣🤣 and better dont talk about tittles difference.

You cant be serious, man, thats incredible, you cant stop lie 🤣🤣

If you are that smart, why got 3 or 4 youths some seasons ago with INF trait thinking that was DET? 🤣🤣🤣 you didnt even read the documentation, just used to asked me EVERYTHING or you didnt remember that?? 
My biggest mistake was waste time helping you, but hey, I dindt contribute anything 🤣🤣

And obviously you are the jealous one, but hope you improve a lit to make it

more interesting.

@markitoss 

Jealousy, why? You’re just pathetic, at least you make us laugh with that ego that makes you think someone could envy your chocolate titles in a game for god’s sake… go outside, find a job, and buy yourself a friend.

If no one can stand you in the Spanish league, that’s not my fault.

You came here to criticize one of my posts, instead of giving your opinion and building something, you come to brag and you’re just a poor man, a “nini.”

The players you buy can be sold later, I don’t know if you know that. Obviously trying to get a return, not like you, throwing money at players who play one week on your team. That’s your business, but you should keep your mouth shut, friend.

You’ve been here longer, the road is long, we’ll see in the future.

Come on, let go of my leg already, some of us work.

@Chantilax 🤣 you are the pathetic one, "chocolate tittles" that you wish get, dont forget you play in the same league, the difference is that you are the looser one. And the highest "chocolate tittle" is the random cup you "won" with 54 avq 🤣

I dont know why you talk about if people in Spain League stand me or not, there are a lot of people who write me on private for asked me things and I always helped them, you also asked me everything "smart guy" so 🤫🤫

And you are not the best example for talk about waste money, a lot of 4* youths that you sold on 20€ or less, a lot of players that you sold losing money too, and as I said, you invest even more money than me with the difference that you you have worst results.

By the way, your life need to be really sad for need trash talk about my life out the game when you didnt know me, you dont know what I do or how many friends I have, and anyways, dont know what does this have to do with the game, I dont care a lit about you, dont know why you care so much about me.

The only thing that I know about you, and thats a fact, is that your team name is just for a fake page with bots that you manage🤣 

Shaow
66 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

a competition that.., you don't have a little bit of control on tactics ....  , NO

Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

You really are a bot who doesn't lift a finger with +30. 

Let go of my leg already, for God's sake. 

Buy yourself a friend. Be smarter, my friend. 😎

Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Shaow

a competition that.., you don't have a little bit of control on tactics ....  , NO

@Shaow And what improvements do you think of? My idea is to somehow encourage competition because otherwise, soon there won't even be enough participants willing to spend 20 Gold.

Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

maridiba

Youth League is based on a simplified version of the engine; it will never be as engaging as the first team competitions like CL, CC, and even the friendly Tournaments because you can't even test tactics.
Plus, you don't have to qualify to play it, but you just have to pay, and I find it perfectly fine to only use the collected budget for the prizes. Besides, the minimum bid to signup is just 20 gold... even if Iose all the games, who cares?

Plus, as I already said in the past, there is an evident conflict of interest because ​​​to have more chances of winning the Youth League, it is convenient to keep the players in the youth team as long as possible, but that implies buying fewer youths overall. I still promote them at 17 because I prefer to give them EXP as soon as possible and use the tutors for the younger ones, but with higher prizes...
In the current format, it doesn't ​​help the game economy (no taxes at all), but it rather damages it.

If we want to make it interesting, it first has to become good for the game economy. A possible solution could be to increase the EXP given per match, maybe even to 1 XP point per game, but only the 15 yrs old and 16 yrs old players have to be eligible to play. The others can stay in the youth team without being allowed to play, so you always have to buy new ones to compete, and that could eventually lead to more youth pulls

@maridiba 

We should give 1 XP or even 2 per match; in the end, there will be few matches, and those who play in the youth league will have that small advantage in the experience of their youth players. The idea of playing 15/16-year-olds can be good to avoid having 2/3 players with a very different skill level from the rest. If you want to have a 17-year-old in the academy to mentor, that's fine.

But I still think the rewards should be greater because otherwise, people won't sign up.

Shaow
66 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

if Nicmo can make tactics also available at youth league,will be a thing and after you can think at rewards 

markitoss
80 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Chantilax

You really are a bot who doesn't lift a finger with +30. 

Let go of my leg already, for God's sake. 

Buy yourself a friend. Be smarter, my friend. 😎

@Chantilax +40 "smart" guy who only lose and lie 🤣

I can write if I want, thats a public forum, anyways if I continue the spam its just because the topic dont have any sense, all people told you the same, you can improve that competition but not from the way you want.

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maridiba
327 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

Chantilax

maridiba

Youth League is based on a simplified version of the engine; it will never be as engaging as the first team competitions like CL, CC, and even the friendly Tournaments because you can't even test tactics.
Plus, you don't have to qualify to play it, but you just have to pay, and I find it perfectly fine to only use the collected budget for the prizes. Besides, the minimum bid to signup is just 20 gold... even if Iose all the games, who cares?

Plus, as I already said in the past, there is an evident conflict of interest because ​​​to have more chances of winning the Youth League, it is convenient to keep the players in the youth team as long as possible, but that implies buying fewer youths overall. I still promote them at 17 because I prefer to give them EXP as soon as possible and use the tutors for the younger ones, but with higher prizes...
In the current format, it doesn't ​​help the game economy (no taxes at all), but it rather damages it.

If we want to make it interesting, it first has to become good for the game economy. A possible solution could be to increase the EXP given per match, maybe even to 1 XP point per game, but only the 15 yrs old and 16 yrs old players have to be eligible to play. The others can stay in the youth team without being allowed to play, so you always have to buy new ones to compete, and that could eventually lead to more youth pulls

@maridiba 

We should give 1 XP or even 2 per match; in the end, there will be few matches, and those who play in the youth league will have that small advantage in the experience of their youth players. The idea of playing 15/16-year-olds can be good to avoid having 2/3 players with a very different skill level from the rest. If you want to have a 17-year-old in the academy to mentor, that's fine.

But I still think the rewards should be greater because otherwise, people won't sign up.

@Chantilax, having players stronger than the others is not a problem, unless it's detrimental to the game's economy... Limiting access only to those who can't be promoted is necessary because it has to be convenient to promote the youths when 17, and that's true only if they can't earn XP points in the youth team. It could also be U21 instead of U17, it doesn't matter.

However, the rewards must only come from the signup bids, just like the friendly Tournaments; there's no reason to subtract funds from the main competitions to fund something where you don't have to qualify. I really see no problem if just a few teams participate because there are the bots to fill the missing slots.

The only case that would justify draining money from the funds would be if the participation had to be earned through first-team results, for example, allowing only the CL teams to participate. In that case, a part of the CL budget could be used, but it's not worth it with the simplified engine. As it is now, it's just like a friendly Tournament (except for the taxes), and I'm fine as it is, to be honest. Except for that little conflict of interest, which should be solved regardless the amount of the funds

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Chantilax
19 posts
1 year old
on (1 month ago)

maridiba

Chantilax

maridiba

La Liga Juvenil se basa en una versión simplificada del motor; nunca será tan atractiva como las competiciones de primer equipo como la CL, la CC e incluso los torneos amistosos, porque ni siquiera se pueden probar tácticas.
Además, no es necesario clasificarse para jugar, solo hay que pagar, y me parece perfectamente aceptable usar solo el presupuesto recaudado para los premios. Además, la puja mínima para registrarse es de solo 20 de oro... aunque se pierdan todas las partidas, ¿a quién le importa?

Además, como ya comenté, existe un evidente conflicto de intereses, ya que para tener más posibilidades de ganar la Liga Juvenil, conviene mantener a los jugadores en el equipo juvenil el mayor tiempo posible, pero eso implica comprar menos juveniles en general. Sigo ascendiéndolos a los 17 porque prefiero darles experiencia cuanto antes y usar tutores para los más jóvenes, pero con premios más altos...
En el formato actual, no ayuda a la economía del juego (no hay impuestos), sino que la perjudica.

Si queremos que sea interesante, primero tiene que ser beneficioso para la economía del juego. Una posible solución sería aumentar la EXP otorgada por partido, quizás incluso a 1 punto de EXP por partido, pero solo los jugadores de 15 y 16 años deben ser elegibles para jugar. Los demás pueden quedarse en el equipo juvenil sin permiso, por lo que siempre hay que contratar jugadores nuevos para competir, lo que podría eventualmente generar más fichajes juveniles.

@maridiba 

Deberíamos dar 1 o incluso 2 XP por partido; al final, habrá pocos partidos, y quienes jueguen en la liga juvenil tendrán esa pequeña ventaja en la experiencia de sus jóvenes. La idea de jugar con jóvenes de 15 o 16 años puede ser buena para evitar tener 2 o 3 jugadores con un nivel de habilidad muy diferente al del resto. Si quieres tener a un joven de 17 años en la academia para que sea tu mentor, está bien.

Pero sigo pensando que las recompensas deberían ser mayores porque de lo contrario la gente no se inscribiría.

@Chantilax, tener jugadores más fuertes que los demás no es un problema, a menos que perjudique la economía del juego... Limitar el acceso solo a quienes no pueden ascender es necesario porque debe ser conveniente ascender a los juveniles, y eso solo aplica si no pueden ganar puntos de XP en el equipo juvenil. También podría ser Sub-21 en lugar de Sub-17, no importa.

Sin embargo, las recompensas solo deben provenir de las pujas de inscripción, al igual que en los torneos amistosos; no hay razón para restar fondos a las competiciones principales para financiar algo donde no es necesario clasificar. Realmente no veo problema si solo participan unos pocos equipos, porque ahí están los bots para cubrir las vacantes.

El único caso que justificaría una pérdida de fondos sería si la participación se obtuviera mediante los resultados del primer equipo, por ejemplo, permitiendo que solo participaran los equipos de la Champions League. En ese caso, se podría usar una parte del presupuesto de la Champions League, pero no vale la pena con el motor simplificado. Tal como está ahora, es como un torneo amistoso (excepto por los impuestos), y, sinceramente, estoy bien así.

@maridiba 

Well, if that's the case, in 2, 3, or 4 months there won't be any participants because it's a tournament with no incentive whatsoever. At that point, if there are 5 players and 27 bots, what would be the point of maintaining it?

Come on, I think leaving it as it is is condemning the competition to disappear. We have to try to find some incentive that works. My idea for giving a prize like that would be to incentivize participation. It would be like giving a 5-star player, like you get a name change or a change of side now, so that it doesn't expire and helps those who participate and win. I don't see implementing what you're saying because the juniors are juniors for 3 years plus whatever time remains until the end of the season in which the player turns 18.

If we prioritize buying youth players, you'll end up with 18-year-olds trying to break into the first team, where there would be players aged 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, and 26, and in the end, there won't be enough room for everyone. If the youngsters don't play, they don't gain experience and reach "old" with little experience.

I don't know... honestly, it's a bad solution, but as it is, it will disappear. Players like @markitoss should always be involved, and you can see that's not the case. If the most active players aren't interested... it has a bleak future.