Forum > Suggestions (International) > Withdrawal tax from club to local federation



nicmo
277 posts
3 years old
on 20-08-2024 21:27:19 (5 months ago)

Any funds passed from the club to the manager are supposed to be taxed to fund local federations, thats why there are two euro accounts.


Alin
116 posts
8 months old
on 20-08-2024 21:52:15 (5 months ago)

is a tough one as in this way....transfers and prizes are getting taxed twice?

 

but in the end it goes into federation which will boost the local prizes. 

 

I think it depends how u look at it

edited on 20-08-2024 21:52:33 (1 times)

maridiba
148 posts
7 months old
on 20-08-2024 21:53:38 (5 months ago)

Is it already active? How much taxes?


Alin
116 posts
8 months old
on 20-08-2024 21:54:16 (5 months ago)

now ofc.. the amount of tax matters also. 5% /i guess could be tolerated easy by everybody from my point of view.

 

any particular number in mind @nicmo?


nicmo
277 posts
3 years old
on 20-08-2024 22:44:14 (5 months ago)

not its not active, i am suggesting and wanted some feedback

yeah its hard for people to take it in but if your going to continue playing, its actually benefiting you.

I was thinking something like 5% yes.


Alin
116 posts
8 months old
on 20-08-2024 22:48:07 (5 months ago)

Doesn't sound like a bad idea, specially if u give people some notice about it, everyone should accept it. 

 

Plus it ll go back into federation prizes, but this is just my view. 


maridiba
148 posts
7 months old
on 20-08-2024 23:43:27 (5 months ago)

I agree with Alin, it should benefit the competition in the long run. I would also consider increasing the taxes for the currency exchanges in the Financial Market, which are currently neglectable


Iordache
58 posts
7 months old
on 20-08-2024 23:45:23 (5 months ago)

A tiered tax system would be much fairer than a flat 5% rate! This way, those with higher earnings contribute more, while those with lower incomes aren't as burdened. After all, we can't all be high rollers... some of us are just here to help balance the chequebook!  :))

No offence intended, just sharing my perspective.

edited on 20-08-2024 23:46:16 (1 times)

maridiba
148 posts
7 months old
on 20-08-2024 23:53:37 (5 months ago)

Tiered taxes on single transactions don't make sense. If one has to move 1000€, he could make many 20€ operations and pay a lower tax


Iordache
58 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 00:00:54 (5 months ago)

Tiered taxes can still make sense even for large sums. While it's true that someone could potentially break up a 1000€ transaction into many smaller ones to pay a lower tax, rules can be put in place to address this. For instance, the total amount transacted over a certain period could be considered for taxation, not just individual transactions. This way, the tax reflects the actual earnings, regardless of how the payments are made.


lysybandyta
176 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 00:02:32 (5 months ago)

What's the point to tax it second time?

When I earn - tax, when I transfer - tax, when I withdraw - tax??


Minecodersam
167 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 00:04:57 (5 months ago)

There are already taxes on winning prizes, no need to put more 

-1


Iordache
58 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 00:10:27 (5 months ago)

Taxing the same amount multiple times is like paying for the same gift over and over again... Santa Claus doesn’t even do that! :))


PvPNyko
51 posts
6 months old
on 21-08-2024 00:43:40 (5 months ago)

So it is triple taxed. Income tax, withdraw tax club to user, tax when taking it out of the game.


PvPNyko
51 posts
6 months old
on 21-08-2024 00:45:51 (5 months ago)

I don't like it
 

-1


GO
73 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 02:03:55 (5 months ago)

We already pay 15% to federation, 10% recruiter, 5% federation again, 20% withdraw tax. 

Total 50% tax 


Godsmack
8 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 03:31:39 (5 months ago)

too many tax

-1


Insaner00t
12 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 04:27:46 (5 months ago)

-1

It appears like the federations are doing quite well on tax money., this could change in the future. I agree, it taxed money on taxed money on taxed money in some cases. This could be an option in the future if the federations aren't generating enough income, but right now It doesn't seem like an adding another tax is necessary.


Bambino
6 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 08:41:28 (5 months ago)

-1


nicmo
277 posts
3 years old
on 21-08-2024 10:26:47 (5 months ago)

ok, we will keep it as it is


Adrian09
93 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 10:33:16 (5 months ago)

If you really wanna add more taxes to federation, just increase the income from competition straight to 20% instead of 15, but, setting this tax you wanted would just ruin the things. Just a random example, manager  A, B and C wanna buy player Y, only 1 person will win the bid, and rest 2, either keep money stuck or just take them off club for other deals and will face the 5% fee you want to implement, so, they pay 5% fee without having any benefit apllied. 

On the other hand, CL/CC has only 15% tax since there is no tax to master , you could just tax this competition 25% to federation and it will generate more income/season than this 5% taxing sistem you wanna implement. Pool is anyway big into these 2 ones and beeing taxed just like other competition are( talking straight about %) should not piss anyone.


Minecodersam
167 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 11:08:03 (5 months ago)

Just leave like this


lysybandyta
176 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 11:21:41 (5 months ago)

+ for adrian idea about CL/CC tax

i think CL has still OP rewards, at least compared to CC

for romanian championship next month will be about 35€? italian 25€, meanwhile champion of CL gets over 2000€

what is the point?

 


Ralf
67 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 11:54:04 (5 months ago)

So...X invest a lot for making a good team, he run deep into european competitions...to get taxed 25% that goes to all teams in X country?

That sounds................


Ralf
67 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 11:55:08 (5 months ago)

@lysybandyta then invest too to have a shot at winning CL.

Dont compare winning national league with winning champions league.


Ralf
67 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 11:57:34 (5 months ago)

Why to taxe just few people? if you want bigger taxes...let's take from everybody. not just few people!


lysybandyta
176 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 12:45:47 (5 months ago)

Learn to use edition mode, so you don't have to do a mess. That's the first.

The second - investing isn't equal to winning.

The third - Why shouldn't I compare those two things? Instead of funding some people the bigger part of money could feed all the local funds. 2.000€ that's a lot, 30 times more than Romanian champion. That way 2-3 seasons and the fund will be empty.

You think like 90% of users here - clear the game in half a year and close it.

It is not a stock market, it is a game. If you want to earn consider to change the place.


Ralf
67 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 12:53:38 (5 months ago)

Then elimitate those big investement of that teams...and let's see from where you will a budget.

You think 57k gold in Romania...is made by 25 teams? Check again, some " crazy " player...wanted to invest 5k euros in the last 1-2 month...to make a very good team.

With out players like him...you will not have neither those 35 euros that you say.

Champions league means big bucks. Get use to it ;)

EDIT : Of course you want more money in national league, your investment is not enough for you...to reach the prizes of Champions League...and that's why you are crying here. 

225 euros not enough mate for a good team. Start accepting that.

edited on 21-08-2024 12:56:55 (1 times)

Minecodersam
167 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 12:55:55 (5 months ago)

@ralf indeed, but you need to be careful to not consume all the investments in the prizes if not the game will die soon 


Ralf
67 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 13:01:02 (5 months ago)

@minecodersam like mpl too..if we want prizes...that means investements should be need it monthly. The problem is that when those teams that made investements in the last 2-3 month...at one point they will stop to invest like crazy...because already have builded a team. then...others that want to make a good team...will need to invest.

if only 15 players want to invest...of course we will not have a good budget.


lysybandyta
176 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 13:09:22 (5 months ago)

@Ralf Your one and only argument is - someone INVESTED someone HAS TO WIN by take back his money.

As I said - stock market will be much proper place than game and it doesn't need to work like that.

1.000€ is still 'big bucks', but if we are going to use arguments, the only crying one is you, kid. If you can't think about the future, then someone else will do it for you and I am trying to show you that way.

 

edited on 21-08-2024 13:10:14 (2 times)

Ralf
67 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 15:32:43 (5 months ago)

Haha. Kid...stop acting like you care. i didnt say that if you invest...you should get. i said you have the chance to win. Investment is not equal succes. Succes come if you are using your brain too.

Then let me ask you something. if nobody invest what you will do? and yes...why should they invest...if they doesnt have the chance to win? for fun? then why you didnt invest too 1.5k euros for fun? 

You are talking much...but not backing up with euro ;)


Ralf
67 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 15:34:17 (5 months ago)

Start investing then talk, till then..your just a leech trying to extract as many as you can.

Have a nice day


lysybandyta
176 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 16:27:10 (5 months ago)

I think the rewards are too high and I have the right to advocate for lowering them without suffering negative consequences from others
let me express my opinion without being offended

 

investing has nothing to do with it
a lot of people have invested money here and they are not doing very well

you keep reminding me that I did not put much into the game and you know what? regardless of this I really have quite a good chance of playing in the next cups and maybe even win something
but I am not greedy and I think about the future of this game, not about how to earn as much as possible in two months

it seems to me that @nicmo plans to keep this game a little longer than just 'for investors, because they paid money', and so far this is how it looks now


so I will repeat once again - I do not care how much you or others have paid. I am interested in the game and that I can lead my team
give me a break, man

edited on 21-08-2024 16:27:53 (1 times)

Ralf
67 posts
7 months old
on 21-08-2024 18:34:13 (5 months ago)

You see....you can talk nice too.

I will give you a break.

Have a nice day/evening


b1c10
73 posts
7 months old
on 22-08-2024 00:44:26 (5 months ago)

Nobody likes taxes, take it as a fact, when taxes are implemented there will always be criticism and greater demands to find a viable path.

Between coach and team, nothing fairer than depositing euros for free.

So, I think it is more valid to tax those who leave the team at the initiative of the “manager”.

@Maridiba, Regarding the Financial Market, I completely agree with you, but the rate would not be interesting, see if you don't agree with me, it should only be taxed within the time interval such as 10 minutes (buy/sell) and (sell/buy ).

My two suggestions:
* Increase the normal tax for single trades (today the tax is very low).
* New tax for 10 minute interval trading. (buy/sell) if the operation is carried out, 10% fee on profit trading, like daily trading in real life.

An example:
Sold 1000 euros - quoted price (1.50)
5 minutes later
I bought 1000 euros - quoted price (1.45)
(1.50 - 1.45) * 1000 profit 50 euros <- tax applied (10%) will be 5 euros tax.

When you are trading in the FINANCIAL MARKET, you don't buy real products in the game, you just steal money from the game fund, correct me if I'm wrong.

Have good game :)


B0gdan
13 posts
7 months old
on 22-08-2024 07:33:14 (5 months ago)

From me also -1 to many taxes 


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