Hey managers,

I've been thinking about a feature that could add a whole new dimension to Kickoff Boss, and want your input before moving forward.

The idea: Allow each manager to manage up to 4 teams, one in each region (Europe, Americas, Asia & Oceania, Africa).

How it would work:

• Your current team stays exactly as it is, nothing changes there
• You'd be able to pick up an additional unmanaged team in a region where you don't already have one
• You'd switch between teams from the top menu, each team has its own finances, players, tactics, everything completely independent
• Maximum of 4 teams, strictly one per region

Why one per region?

This keeps things fair. Since leagues and national cups are organized by country, your teams would never face each other in regular competition. Different regions also mean different match times, different transfer markets, different continental competitions, so each team is its own challenge.

What about fairness?

We'd put rules in place to prevent abuse:

• No transfers between your own teams
• No friendly matches between your own teams
• If two of your teams ever meet in a world competition, we'd handle that scenario fairly, not an issue for now

Monthly fee

Each additional team (2nd, 3rd, and 4th) would require a monthly fee to maintain. Your first team remains free as always. This helps support the game's development and also ensures that managers who take on extra teams are committed to actually managing them — we don't want abandoned teams clogging up leagues.

Some things to think about:

• What should happen if you stop paying the fee, should you get a grace period, or does the team go back to unmanaged?
• Should there be a minimum manager level required before you can pick up a second team?
• Would you prefer to be able to pick a new team at any time, or only during the off-season?
• Should there be any restrictions on which teams you can pick?

Give your feedback:

• Is this something you'd be interested in?
• What feels like a fair monthly price for an extra team?
• Any concerns about fairness or game balance?
• What other rules or restrictions do you think should be in place?

Let us know what you think. Nothing is set in stone, this is the early stages and your input will shape how (or if) we build this.

Thanks!

Hmmm, interesting! that would be a nice addition to the gameplay! It would be nice if the fees would be not that high to give that option to players that don't invest to much! But is one of the best ideas lately!

Also a loan option would be nice to implement. It would be nice to send young players to second club to get XP. I know it can be exploited but maybe it could work using some limitations like maximum age of the player set to 21 or you can only send players on loan from parent club to secondary and limiting max players on loan to 3. it could give us more options

interesting

more club, more fee, make it higher for the third and fourth club, double the fee

use different platinum pocket, so the new club cant easily fund by the main club

Personally, I think it's a fantastic idea, although I personally believe there are other things that could be improved in the game.

But we're talking about this improvement, so I'll give my opinion.

I think the game has enough paid features. Paying for extra teams only benefits the overall fund, the partners' fund... it doesn't improve competitiveness, and most importantly, I don't think it's a fair measure.

I also believe that team selection should be limited to Category C at most, and always at the start of the season to prevent a player from selecting a team that's currently in first place, for example.

I also think it would be fair if any team is in the red for more than 10 days, that player should lose the option of having a second team again until they meet the requirement of having a primary team for two consecutive seasons without losses.

This is so that anyone who actually creates a second team does so with the intention of improving.

honestly i don't see it like a good idea. instead you can put co-manager role, or a helper for another manager like in mpl in the companies at least

p.s. there are nations for long time, we should create something for them too

There are a few things to handle. For example, every team now pays referral commissions to someone. So, the additional teams should also pay someone, otherwise they have an unfair advantage... would that one also be the recruiter? Or maybe the partners fund?

Plus, I think the circulation of money from the main account to the teams should be completely free, you must be able to move money without restrictions. Otherwise, we would still see creative ways to avoid the restrictions, for example, by changing money consecutively in the financial market...  
 

Interesting

payment once not monthly

add loan feature between clubs with the same account

Not needed in my opinion. To handle one team costs enough time. If yiu have to much time do offers.

however, hows with shares and dividend. Can it used for them second, third and forte team?

Thuru

Not needed in my opinion. To handle one team costs enough time. If yiu have to much time do offers.

however, hows with shares and dividend. Can it used for them second, third and forte team?

@Thuru shares have nothing to do with the club, they are an asset of the manager. You earn the dividends even if you don't have a club so nothing will change. Except the dividends should grow because the number of active clubs should slightly increase

I think it's great idea. Lot of leagues outside of Europe has no players. Even in A.1 Division. This should liven them a bit. But, of course, it won't be easy.

I think that one payment is better than monthly. Monthly pay would be very small to keep it worthwhile. For example, winner of the CC in Africa is earning just 1 plat now. It will raise when more teams joins the competition, but we don't know to which level, so I think that once payment is much more safe. And of course, each subsequent team can cost more.

All teams should start in the D Division for me, no exception for that. If someone want a new team, he should start from the scratch. Don't think if there is any difference if someone starts offseason or not. It woulde be able to pick them any time. And teams should be assigned randomly.

The bigger problem is money. Now, you can withdraw money from club balance to manager balance. And then, from manager balance we can invest money to other club. I think we should avoid that situations to not have other teams only to earning money for main team. Probably, it won't be easy to restrict it, but I think it's possible.

Jasperbit

Creo que es una gran idea. Muchas ligas fuera de Europa no tienen jugadores. Incluso en la División A.1. Esto debería animarles un poco. Pero, por supuesto, no será fácil.

Creo que ese pago es mejor que mensual. El salario mensual sería muy pequeño para que mereciera la pena. Por ejemplo, el ganador del CC en África solo está ganando 1 platino ahora. Aumentará cuando más equipos se unan a la competencia, pero no sabemos en qué nivel, así que creo que una vez el pago es mucho más seguro. Y, por supuesto, cada equipo posterior puede costar más.

Para mí, todos los equipos deberían empezar en la División D, no hay excepción. Si alguien quiere un nuevo equipo, debería empezar desde cero. No pienses si hay alguna diferencia si alguien empieza la pretemporada o no. Podría elegirlos en cualquier momento. Y los equipos deberían asignarse al azar.

El problema mayor es el dinero. Ahora puedes retirar dinero del saldo del club al saldo del entrenador. Y luego, desde el saldo del entrenador, podemos invertir dinero en otro club. Creo que deberíamos evitar esas situaciones para no tener otros equipos solo para ganar dinero para el equipo principal. Probablemente no será fácil restringirlo, pero creo que es posible.

@Jasperbit 

The money restriction is simple. A clarification in the manager's financial profile... Money deposited / Money withdrawn.

For example, player 1 has a balance of 20 Platinum, 10 from a top-up and 10 from withdrawals from their teams... only 10 are available to invest in an extra team.

I'm still against a monthly fee for having extra teams if what we want is to bring life to other continents and leagues. A more selective and restrictive rule, like never having been in the red in the last two seasons, is much more incentivizing.

The incentive should be being able to enjoy more hours of gameplay. The medium- to long-term reward for the game is that the more hours a player spends playing, the more likely they are to spend real money on it.

Sounds good. my experience in other games i played a second team must have some form of extra fun. No transfers allowed between clubs sounds fair but not needed as they hit the transfermarket anyway for minimum of 24 hours so free to bid by anyone. What i hear and see when i speak to new users i invited to play this game there are a few issues which also count when second, third and fourth teams are added is that it is really hard to compete fast at toplevel like cc and ueta in europe due to a very limited range of great players on the transferlist. ( you can always buy a team when you have luck someone quits active play like i had myself with craiova but this is not very common) I would suggest add second, third and 4th teams, make acces easy to put money in the offices/accounts from the same manager. Make an option to use vct for all 4 teams if u have for boosts, and maybe add a loansystem. This makes it easier to gain valuable experience each player needs and can close the gap faster between managers who are here for a long time and new managers who want to use youthplayers faster and can actually compete then at toplevel faster with those players. the game also definitly needs more youthplayers to choose from and maybe expand from 11 to 22 youths as at this moment there is not very much choice daily in youth worth spending money on and will be more terrible if u need to pull youths with all the extra teams coming in then.  maybe add 2 players each day instead of 1, 2 more steps visible instead of 1 and make it 12 to 14 youths per country to choose from. 

maridiba

There are a few things to handle. For example, every team now pays referral commissions to someone. So, the additional teams should also pay someone, otherwise they have an unfair advantage... would that one also be the recruiter? Or maybe the partners fund?

Plus, I think the circulation of money from the main account to the teams should be completely free, you must be able to move money without restrictions. Otherwise, we would still see creative ways to avoid the restrictions, for example, by changing money consecutively in the financial market...  
 

@maridiba

Not very sure about allowing same account balance for the main club for sub clubs. 

Plus only main club of the user should be under referral. You charges extra fee for sub club and expect users to pay referral? Most would prefer main account that is for free so I suggest not making sub clubs too much of budden 😀

Thuru

Not needed in my opinion. To handle one team costs enough time. If yiu have to much time do offers.

however, hows with shares and dividend. Can it used for them second, third and forte team?

@Thuru

It's option. Totally fine if you'd want to stick to main club. Most game now have different server as option to accommodate more user and max profit :) 

This would be an interesting addition and hopefully the fee to add more club is affordable by most. Priorities long time accumulations profit over instant charming fees but most can't afford :) 

My personal opinion is that this idea sounds good at first listen, but after analyzing the subject more carefully I come to the conclusion that:
PRO:
- relaunches competitions from weak continents;
- increases the prize fund;
- the idea to be attractive should be an international competition with club teams like CL and CE but in the real format as it is now at UEFA.
- if it is done without a subscription or additional fees, because anyway you have to invest money and energy to grow a new club from scratch.

CONS;
- investments on the European continent will decrease, which also means smaller prizes!;
- the risk of irregularities in the game will increase;
- this change could lead to a decrease in interest in the game;

PS. The main focus should be to make this game more attractive, to attract new investors in the game!!!
Such as creating new competitions, more attractive tournaments, real competitions like in the UEFA system.

There is a club abandonment fee. Instead of charging a monthly fee, why not sell the club to the manager who is interested? All clubs have a net worth; use that as a reference to determine the price to pay for the second club. The revenue from this transaction can follow the current distribution rules.

maridiba

Thuru

Not needed in my opinion. To handle one team costs enough time. If yiu have to much time do offers.

however, hows with shares and dividend. Can it used for them second, third and forte team?

@Thuru shares have nothing to do with the club, they are an asset of the manager. You earn the dividends even if you don't have a club so nothing will change. Except the dividends should grow because the number of active clubs should slightly increase

@maridiba

note that shares gives dividend. Can that income used by clubs? At this moment I use my dividend to loot youth and other things. Income from dividend is atm arround 75 euro monthly. I did stop with investing. Becouse income is just enough.

I think this is an amazing idea for us to do. I know of other games like this where you have to pay to manage other teams so this is a great opportunity for us. I think if you stop paying the fee, you should get notified multiple times and then it becomes unmanaged. Personally, it might be better if you have different plans to pay: One Yearly and Maybe a monthly plan. Personally, I am playing in the India Division with it being dominated by bot teams(Just joined A.1 division. This will help diversify a lot of leagues. 

DPAS

There is a club abandonment fee. Instead of charging a monthly fee, why not sell the club to the manager who is interested? All clubs have a net worth; use that as a reference to determine the price to pay for the second club. The revenue from this transaction can follow the current distribution rules.

@DPAS I like this idea a lot. I think this can prevent people from taking advantadge by just going and looking for teams that might have been abandoned but rather have an auction. 

We need to be very carefull how we implement this things. Maybe is not bad...but for sure we need strict rules, otherwise this game will transform in a clone teams games...and many investors will stop playing.

Ralf

We need to be very carefull how we implement this things. Maybe is not bad...but for sure we need strict rules, otherwise this game will transform in a clone teams games...and many investors will stop playing.

@Ralf I personally think it might be better to start slow. Nicmo did mention us starting with 4 teams, but we don't know its true impact. We could start with people owning a maximum of two teams, see how it goes, before taking the next steps. Managing four teams either way is gonna take some crazy dedication. 

Hi Nicmo

Interesting

Can we transfer gold/euros between teams ? or need to invest separately ?

What it the value of fees ?(around) or its a % or income ?

nicmo

Hey managers,

I've been thinking about a feature that could add a whole new dimension to Kickoff Boss, and want your input before moving forward.

The idea: Allow each manager to manage up to 4 teams, one in each region (Europe, Americas, Asia & Oceania, Africa).

How it would work:

• Your current team stays exactly as it is, nothing changes there
• You'd be able to pick up an additional unmanaged team in a region where you don't already have one
• You'd switch between teams from the top menu, each team has its own finances, players, tactics, everything completely independent
• Maximum of 4 teams, strictly one per region

Why one per region?

This keeps things fair. Since leagues and national cups are organized by country, your teams would never face each other in regular competition. Different regions also mean different match times, different transfer markets, different continental competitions, so each team is its own challenge.

What about fairness?

We'd put rules in place to prevent abuse:

• No transfers between your own teams
• No friendly matches between your own teams
• If two of your teams ever meet in a world competition, we'd handle that scenario fairly, not an issue for now

Monthly fee

Each additional team (2nd, 3rd, and 4th) would require a monthly fee to maintain. Your first team remains free as always. This helps support the game's development and also ensures that managers who take on extra teams are committed to actually managing them — we don't want abandoned teams clogging up leagues.

Some things to think about:

• What should happen if you stop paying the fee, should you get a grace period, or does the team go back to unmanaged?
• Should there be a minimum manager level required before you can pick up a second team?
• Would you prefer to be able to pick a new team at any time, or only during the off-season?
• Should there be any restrictions on which teams you can pick?

Give your feedback:

• Is this something you'd be interested in?
• What feels like a fair monthly price for an extra team?
• Any concerns about fairness or game balance?
• What other rules or restrictions do you think should be in place?

Let us know what you think. Nothing is set in stone, this is the early stages and your input will shape how (or if) we build this.

Thanks!

@nicmo 

Ralf

We need to be very carefull how we implement this things. Maybe is not bad...but for sure we need strict rules, otherwise this game will transform in a clone teams games...and many investors will stop playing.

@Ralf

You're not the only one concerned about farming in the game. I share the same sentiment about this sensitive topic.

Come on for topic:

The idea of ​​managing another club is indeed very interesting, because you can play all day with different game times.

My only concern is the following: what might arise outside the system, as you mentioned, cloned teams or "farming" teams.

This happens even with real people... when the league isn't interesting, the guy simply leaves the current league for another one. These users aren't merely managers or coaches, because they don't care about playing, renewing their contracts, but rather farming to recruit and for themselves, never improves and play. We must stop this bleeding first before discussing this option of managing more than one club.

My suggestion for restrictions would be for real administrators who have invested in the main team's infrastructure, at least in stadium 6... or shares or VCT holders, whichever comes first... all of them should be equivalent to at least 50 euros, because when you take over the team you have its asset value, and we use this as a basis for restrictions and this asset will be blocked as collateral. If they cheat, they lose this collateral value instead of banning the user.

Collateral proposal(instead Monthly fee):

• Who not respect rules:

  • The collateral would go into the prize pool and be distributed equally across leagues.

  • If infrastructure in main team is used as collateral, all upgrades would be reset to zero.

Alternative idea: Allow buying teams on the team(managed by normal bot (Series C or D)) market and listing them with their current value, and manager same lifestyle of main team with rules.

@nicmo 

Could us,at some point, be able to change the free team and switch to any of the other team, that we would have in a different zone? I'm asking because we may like the things that are going in another zone than the first choise we have.